From an e-mail
I’ve been talking to agents lately and I ask them about the things I’ve learned about from your site. I thought I would say things like “I want to apply for a backup loan” and they would say “Good idea!” instead of “Why would you do that?” I try to answer the why and next thing you know none of my why’s make sense anymore. Here is a summary of that conversation:
Me: Okay, so I need to get a “pre-approval” or “pre-whatever” from a lender so I can put an offer on this house . . . that sounds fair . . . but I want to shop my loan around and in fact, I want to get a backup loan.
Agent: Backup loan? What for?
Me: Because from what I understand what you are told at first isn’t what gets delivered and you are at the mercy of the loan officer if you don’t have a backup plan
Agent: They have to fill out the form and give you what they promise so you are protected.
Me: So it’s the law that they deliver what they fill out on this form?
Agent: No, it’s not the law but they wouldn’t dare change the terms or I wouldn’t recommend them.
Me: Well, most people don’t know they’re getting screwed until later and most of the ones that notice don’t do anything about it.
Agent: Well, if you hire me to be your agent then you should trust my advice . . . otherwise why would you hire me?
A similar conversation ensued when I talked about a “exclusive” vs “non-exclusive” buyer’s agent agreement. “There is no such thing as “non-exclusive”". What is the benefit to you? If I have multiple agents then they all work to find me the perfect house and the one that finds me the one I like is the one that get’s rewarded. Nope! If you tell an agent you have other agents he won’t work with you. Okay, well, I wouldn’t tell the other agents. But any good agent is going to make you sign an exclusive agreement.
Anyway, the sales techniques here are right up there with car salesman.
Let me ask you about your experience with monopolies? Your electric provider, mass transit provider, cable provider – do they furnish top notch customer service? Do you think someone might be able to do better, cheaper? Quite likely, because monopoly situations encourage rent seeking behavior. Monopolies are the classic example of rent seeking – do business with them, or not at all, meaning you’re stuck with whatever service they choose to give you at whatever price. Why in the world would you do that to yourself?
Only two possible reasons: You don’t have a choice or you don’t know any better. You do have a choice in real estate, no matter how much various people may choose to pretend you don’t. I certainly haven’t noticed any shortage of real estate agents or loan officers. There’s something like 7500 licensees in San Diego County alone. That leaves you don’t know any better. It doesn’t matter whether it’s through ignorance or not following through on the knowledge.
In fact, if you think about it, someone who insists upon exclusive rights to your business is telling you they’re worried about comparisons to other professionals. They’re telling you they’re afraid they can’t compete and they’re not willing to try. Does this sound like someone who’s likely to give you the best service? Someone who’s not willing to compete?
Just because an exclusive agreement isn’t in the consumer’s interest doesn’t mean that it isn’t very desirable for agents. In fact, most agents take a lot of classes in learning how to lock your business up and cut out the competition before anyone else gets to the starting line – several times more training than the average agent ever takes in learning how to actually give good service and good value to their clients. Look at the average agent symposium sometime. There will be easily ten times more offerings in how to get clients and cut out the competition than there will be in how to get your clients the best value. If the average agent doesn’t offer a non-exclusve buyer’s agency contract, they can pretend such a thing doesn’t exist. It does exist; it’s available in every state. In California, it’s form BBNE in WinForms, the standard computerized package. But if they can persuade you to sign an exclusive contract, they’re guaranteed to get whatever buyer’s agency commission is due – before they’ve done any real work, before they’ve demonstrated that they are really going to guard your interests at all. I’ve written about the drawbacks of an exclusive agreement before, and even given examples in shopping for an agent, and the games that get played with consumers by agents. If you’ve signed an exclusive agreement, you’re stuck. If you don’t, you’re not – indeed you keep far more control in your own hands.
Some agents will try to sidetrack you with an exclusive agreement “but you can fire me any time you want!” The first question is where is that written into the agreement? Show me please. In fact, the standard exclusive contract is written to be very difficult to break for any reason. The second question is that even if it is written in, how is that not functionally equivalent to a non-exclusive contract? The answer to that is they’ve still got your business locked up until and unless they make an obvious blunder. As long as they don’t make that obvious blunder, they’re still in the driver’s seat. But this doesn’t mean that they’re a good agent – you have no standards for comparison. Indeed, you are agreeing not to acquire any standards for comparison. Matter of fact, they can be the worst excuse for an agent ever and still not make any mistakes that most people are going to fire them for. Plead for one more chance, and most people will give it – dozens of times. The bottom line is that they still avoid any chance at having to compete.
Now just because your agreement is non-exclusive doesn’t mean you have to go find other agents. At least half of my clients never talk to another agent. But they have the option of doing so, and that knowledge is one of the things that motivates me to do the best job I can for my clients, and why I keep the list of clients I’m working with at any time short enough so that I’m certain I can handle them all with no deterioration of service. If I don’t, they can fire me and find another agent as easy as crossing the street. That motivation just isn’t there if you give someone an exclusive agreement. Do you want the agent whose motivation is to concentrate on giving a few clients the best job they can possibly give, or do you want the agent who’s a half-notch above getting fired, whose motivations are to lock up as many clients as possible, secure in the knowledge that none of those clients are likely to actually fire them? And if they’re confident they can give you such a terrific job, why are they requiring an exclusive agreement? If they’re really that good, they should be eager to compete. That’s the best confirmation of their abilities possible – the fact that someone else tried and couldn’t do it! As I’ve said, most of my clients see the job I do and never talk to another agent, and most of those who do end up telling me how much I shine by comparison. But it takes confidence in my own ability to offer that non-exclusive agreement. The ones who won’t are telling you that they don’t have that confidence. Do you think there might possibly be a reason for that lack of confidence?
Probably the largest number of agents and loan officers compete by being what I call “Social predators” Involved in Boy Scouts, Soccer, Little League, the church, PTA, whatever. They try to make those they come into contact feel obligated to do business with them, because they are after all, a good guy (or girl), they help the cause, etcetera. Surely such a person is worthy of trust? Surely they will treat you right? They lock up the business with an exclusive agreement or a large deposit, raising the barrier to competition as high as they can. This effectively sets you up for the kill. My personal experience leads me to believe that such agents and loan officers are responsible for a truly outsized proportion of the people who are losing their property to foreclosure in the current crisis. It seems like everyone I come across who’s in the process of foreclosure has a “social predator” story to tell. Most of them have no clue what happened until I dissect the entire process and show them that their “little boy’s wonderful scoutmaster” bent them over and took advantage. The thought process is natural, but the conclusion does not follow from the premise – a thing most people don’t understand until how it bit them (past tense) is plainer than the nose on their face.
Ronald Reagan loved a very applicable phrase: Trust but Verify. It’s not accident that this principle, which he applied as President, served him and the country very well. On a more personal level, you are willing to trust agents with your business (otherwise you wouldn’t be talking to them), but you want to verify that they’re earning it. You’re not willing to take trust to the level of the spouse who’s clueless about their spouse telling them they worked late when they come home at 3AM six nights in a row smelling like someone else’s perfume or cologne. This is the best function of a non-exclusive buyer’s agency agreement. This means you still have the right to go out and get the only valid standard of comparison: Another agent who has the same opportunity to do the same job as them.
In your situation, I’d be very blunt: “What you’re telling me about requiring an exclusive contract makes me believe that you know very well you don’t measure up to a good standard. In fact, the harder you argue for an exclusive agreement, the less willing I am to believe you are worthy of one. I’ll willingly give you a chance to earn my business with a non-exclusive agreement, but I’m not going to sign any exclusive agreements with anyone. Since you’re not willing to sign a non-exclusive agreement, I am wasting my time. Good-bye.” They have as long as it takes you to get to the door to change their mind. Walk out and never look back – find someone else who will offer non-exclusive agreement.. In fact, taking this stand in your self defense is the first and most critical point of Shopping for a good buyer’s agent. The standard non-exclusive contract is truly a bet you cannot lose as a consumer. There literally is no risk. Doesn’t matter if they’re a freshly minted licensee who’s never done a transaction in their life (How often do you hear that from someone who actually has significant experience?). Go ahead and sign a non-exclusive agreement, and the worst that can happen is they don’t get the job done. You’re still free to use anyone else who does. You have lost exactly nothing – as a matter of fact, both you and that agent are mathematically, provably ahead for having signed that non-exclusive contract! Hiring them thus can only increase the probability function in your favor! This improvement may be marginal or even zero, but so long as you do your due diligence it cannot be negative.
The same thing applies to the loan officer an agent recommends. The reason they’re choosing that loan officer has nothing to do with the best choice for you and everything to do with the best choice for them. That’s a loan officer they trust not to screw up the transaction by telling you, “You know, I’m not certain you can really afford this property.” That’s the loan officer they trust, by hook or by crook, to have a loan ready at the close of escrow, no matter what it takes, so that that agent can get paid. Has nothing to do with how good their loans are, how competitive they are, or any other advantage to you – only that they trust that loan officer to insure their paycheck. That’s what the agent is really telling you. The loan officer may be really good, and very competitive on price. Then again, they may not, and the one thing I’d bet significant money on, sight unseen, is that they will never tell you that maybe you’re stretching beyond your means – that agent will never send them another client if they do! The only agents I’m certain could tell the difference between good loans and loan officers and bad ones if it bit them are the ones who are also loan officers themselves.
If an agent is recommending a loan officer on the basis of “This person wouldn’t dare cheat my clients!”, ask them for a copy of the initial MLDS (California) or Good Faith Estimate (the other 49 states) and a copy of the final HUD 1 for that loan officer’s last five transactions with their client. (sarcasm on) What, they don’t have them? What a surprise (end sarcasm). But if they don’t, how can they possibly know whether that loan officer does or does not quote accurately? You’ve just asked for the only possible evidence, and they don’t have it! Nor does this cover how well they compete on price, and as long as the terms are the same and the rate/cost tradeoff is better, a loan is a loan is a loan. I used to advise people to apply for more than one loan, but changes in the lending environment have put the kibosh on what was an easy and effective way of managing your loan thusly. Now you need to have a real problem solving discussion with several potential loan officers and evaluate the solutions – a much more difficult task for a lay consumer, because neither I nor any other loan officer is doing back up loans any longer. Rate shopping on the phone doesn’t cut it any more because loan officers can lie like rugs and low-ball worse than any remodeling contractorand now they can point to a federal form for false credibility
You’re right that these sales techniques have a lot in common with used-car sales. Everybody in any sales business wants to avoid competing if they can – it means they don’t have to work as hard, and get higher profit margins. Consumers, for their part, need to learn to understand what actions mean, and that actions are important, not words. That’s part of the reason why I’m writing this article.
Sales persons, properly handled, are your best friends in the whole world. Nobody solves your problems as well as an expert with the motivation of getting paid for their trouble, and there always seem to be problems that lay people don’t realize exist until they’re bitten, which is almost always far too late to avoid all the damage that’s coming down the pike. Kind of like having a Terminator after you. If you don’t have your own very special protector, they’re going to get you. I don’t like having my clients bitten – not tomorrow, not next year, not ever. One bad transaction can ruin you as an agent or a loan officer, and I intend to be doing this for the rest of my life. So I’ll do everything I can to keep it from happening before it happens, and you want someone just as dedicated working for you. The only way to be certain is to watch them in action over time. But if they’re asking you to sign that Exclusive Agreement beforehand, how in the heck can you possibly have the knowledge of their business practices to give it to them?
Caveat Emptor
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Way back when I was just out of high school, I was doing a lot of things with my time. Working, dating, competing on the fencing team, gaming of various sorts. But every once in a while, I dropped in on one of those math courses I was registered for at UCSD. One of those courses was Math 110, “Introduction to Partial Differential Equations and Boundary Value Problems” Bozemoi. That was the course that convinced me that I was not, after all, cut out for a career as a mathematician. All the other undergraduate courses, I got a handle on fairly quickly, but the way my mind works made that one course something like having those alleged brains pounded out between two large gold bricks wrapped in lemon.
I eventually got through it. But one thing I took out of that class in no uncertain terms is the form a real solution to those equations took, and the fact that if you were missing terms (“parts of the answer” for those less mathematically inclined), your answer was wrong. Not incomplete. wrong.
One of the standard ideas of internet commerce is “cut out the middleman and their fees.” You can find this in lots of fields. Some of them begin far earlier than the world wide web. “Discount” brokers have been going for decades, for both stocks and real estate. The internet certainly helped them, however. Loan quote services were probably one of the first ten business ideas on the world wide web. On-line this, on-line that. Do business with the faceless on-line corporation with cheaper fees (or none!) and you can’t help but be better off, right? It’s easy to illustrate that difference to just about anyone. There’s money they’re not spending, that anybody can point to as a savings earned by doing business in that fashion. But is that the whole story?
Indeed the whole discount proposition cannot succeed without an implicit or explicit assumption that the value you receive from having paid that fee is zero. But if that were the case, these professions would never have gotten going in the first place. Who wants to pay money you don’t need to? Anybody want to raise your hand? I certainly don’t. The world, humankind, and even our financial markets survived for millennia without stockbrokers, real estate agents, travel agents, or any other sort of business that is now being subjected to disintermediation. Why did these professions come about? It wasn’t because our great grandparents were stupid, uninformed of the alternatives, or had no choice. They could and did buy and sell stock and real estate directly. The reason these professions, and others (such as journalism) arose is because they added value to the entire process. The people who made use of these professions profited by their choice. Not necessarily directly in dollars with every transaction, but statistically, the people who spent that money emerged notably better off in one or more important respects, and therefore, our predecessors made a choice to do so until essentially everyone did so.
There you have it: An explicit refutation of the assumption underlying the entire discounter promise. It neglects an essential term in the answer as to whether you end up better off. Was the money you didn’t spend really the whole answer? What if by spending that money, you end up better off?
Suppose you save three percent by not having a real estate agent sell your property. Seems like a great idea on the surface, doesn’t it? On a half million dollar property, $15,000 in your pocket for what you think is a few hours of work. I’ll even start by granting you the same ability to market that an agent has, which isn’t the case for the vast majority. But what happens if the price you pick isn’t right for your market? I’ve gone over that. What happens if you don’t disclose everything you need to? Then let’s consider negotiations. Trying to match wits against a buyer’s agent whose been in everything that sold in your neighborhood in the last six months is a guaranteed lose. Do you know what’s appropriate for contingent sales? What about negotiating repairs disclosed by inspection? These and many other things need to be negotiated, and just telling the other side to do it your way will result in a failed transaction. Do you know how to find out if a buyer is qualified? The two months you spend waiting to find out that your prospective buyer can’t qualify costs you roughly six thousand dollars all by itself. I could go on and on.
The same applies on the buyer’s side. In the current environment, any decent buyer’s agent who tries can make at least a ten percent difference by suggesting the correct property, negotiating to their strengths, and using the seller’s weaknesses against them. Usually it’s more than that. My average was running about twenty percent when I originally wrote this. Even when the market turned crazy for about nine months it stayed about 10% – when everyone else was having appraisal problems due to Home Valuation Code of Conduct, I didn’t have a single property that failed to appraise for value. Sound like a good bargain to you? Spend ten to twenty percent to save three? If so, come on into my office, and I’ll give you $30 for $100 until you’re broke.
The intelligent question is: Does spending that money save you more than it costs? Most people will spend $10 to save $100. That’s rational. Most people will spend $90 to save $100. That’s still rational. Some people will spend more than a hundred dollars to save $100, though, and that’s not rational. Not spending the $10 or even $90 to save $100 isn’t rational either. Nor are all of the costs in money. How do you quantify not making a mistake that most people don’t know is there until and unless it bites them, after the purchase?
That’s really the whole question, isn’t it? Furthermore, it has to be answered individually, because few situations really subject themselves to this kind of analysis Admittedly, with the internet, it’s gotten easier for consumers and more difficult for members of those professions. But the internet can only help you with questions you actually think to ask, and you still have to do the work to make certain you debunk wrong answers to find out where the truth really lies. It’s not going to tell you any of dozens of reasons why this freshly remodeled home of your dreams is going to turn into a nightmare.
When I originally wrote this, I was closing on a property right now where the folks contacted me with information from a popular discount model brokerage in their hand, and those were the first properties they wanted me to look at (which I did). The difference in value they are receiving for their money is such that they never went back to that discounter, because I went out and looked at properties, I gave them reasons why this property was or was not one that they were going to be happy in, I gave them reasons why this property was a Vampire while that property was not. I explained to them how the surrounding environment was going to impact them in the property. I showed them what needed to be fixed, and gave them an idea what was involved. When I found an especially good value for their money, I got them out there and told them to act fast if they wanted it – if I hadn’t, it would have been gone by the weekend. I’m not going to talk about why, but I can truthfully say that I wrote an offer that the seller chose to accept even though it wasn’t the highest offer they had, and the difference was a lot more than my company’s three percent commission. If those kinds of services aren’t worth money to you, then you’re not a good candidate for my services anyway. But all that discounter had to offer was how cheap they were, while I gave my clients more value than they would have saved before they put the offer that was accepted in, and they knew it. Once the clients started thinking in terms of what they were receiving by giving up that discounter’s commission rebate, the discounter never had a chance. By CMA of all comparable properties in the area at that time, my buyers saved over thirty percent, and that’s just by square footage – not including all of the amenities the property had that the competing ones don’t.
I’m not going to pretend this one isn’t an above average bargain, even for me. I’m not going to pretend that every full service agent can make that kind of difference on every transaction, because I know it isn’t true. The best agent in the world strikes out occasionally – in which case you are still no worse off than without them. But making more of a difference to the client than the three percent a full service agent makes around here is an awfully easy mark to beat for the agent who tries.
Caveat Emptor
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Here was an idea I had: Pack a list of the most important things consumers need to know about buying real estate, as packed into the words I can say in sixty seconds without sounding like an over-clocked squirrel. Here goes:
Figure out what you can really afford before you do anything else. Shop by purchase price, not payment, and refuse to look at properties which cannot believably be obtained within your budget.
Listing agents are contractually and legally obligated to sell the property as quickly as possible for the highest possible price. They represent sellers, not buyers. If the listing agent can sell you the property for $100,000 above comparable market price, they have done nothing except their job. Never allow the listing agent to represent you as a buyer.
Buyer’s Agents represent buyers, not sellers, and having a good buyer’s agent will make more difference than anything else to get you a better property value for less money. Get at least one buyer’s agent before you start looking. Sign only non-exclusive buyer’s agency contracts, insist they cover bad points as well as good on every property, and fire any agent that won’t, or any agent that shows you a property that cannot be obtained within your budget.
There is no such thing as a perfect property, or the perfect time to buy real estate. Properties in immaculate condition command premium prices because the owners can get more money. If you want a bargain, be prepared to do some cosmetic work. A good buyer’s agent will help you know what’s cheap and easy to fix, versus what’s difficult and expensive.
How was that?
Caveat Emptor
P.S.: This guy is one of the best buyer’s agents there is
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